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		<title>By: Justin L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m a man, i respect women, i think women are intellectually equal and deserve equal rights, and i find that so obvious that i can&#039;t believe it would be in question anywhere, by anyone

i also think that government prohibition of abortion only causes tragedy, though i believe the same about drugs

but i do think that abortion is a despicable act of ending an innocent life, and i hold that value separate from whatever cause there may be to allow and perform abortions. that is, i won&#039;t lie about my feelings about ending a fetal life simply because i see a need to decriminalize the act

also, as a man, if a woman and i accidentally start a pregnancy, that pregnancy is then out of my hands, and i can be held financially accountable, paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in my lifetime for it

so i can sympathize with women who say that one small, impulsive, natural act can ruin their life

and i can understand wanting the power to reverse it, i wish i had the assurance that a simple mistake can never affect my future in serious ways (though i would never want to abort)

but that&#039;s why i never do have unprotected sex, and i recognize that in a vast majority of unplanned pregnancies, someone has decided to do something irresponsible. i&#039;ve considered this thoroughly because of the risks in my own life, which i can&#039;t control beyond exercising self control in the first place, because i&#039;m a man

if anything, it would be &quot;fair&quot; if fathers could force an abortion, but obviously that would be brutal and invasive, not a reasonable solution

i believe that men shouldn&#039;t be required to pay child support by default, though

it is the woman&#039;s body, it&#039;s a physical fact that government intervention is only going to do harm, and therefore we have no choice but to let the woman decide

but therefore, i think we need to leave parental responsibility up to the woman, unless the man agrees on paper to provide support

this way no one has to worry about a simple sexual mistake having profound consequences

that is, where pregnancy is concerned. any man or woman risking unplanned pregnancies may also be risking contracting a fatal STD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a man, i respect women, i think women are intellectually equal and deserve equal rights, and i find that so obvious that i can&#8217;t believe it would be in question anywhere, by anyone</p>
<p>i also think that government prohibition of abortion only causes tragedy, though i believe the same about drugs</p>
<p>but i do think that abortion is a despicable act of ending an innocent life, and i hold that value separate from whatever cause there may be to allow and perform abortions. that is, i won&#8217;t lie about my feelings about ending a fetal life simply because i see a need to decriminalize the act</p>
<p>also, as a man, if a woman and i accidentally start a pregnancy, that pregnancy is then out of my hands, and i can be held financially accountable, paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in my lifetime for it</p>
<p>so i can sympathize with women who say that one small, impulsive, natural act can ruin their life</p>
<p>and i can understand wanting the power to reverse it, i wish i had the assurance that a simple mistake can never affect my future in serious ways (though i would never want to abort)</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s why i never do have unprotected sex, and i recognize that in a vast majority of unplanned pregnancies, someone has decided to do something irresponsible. i&#8217;ve considered this thoroughly because of the risks in my own life, which i can&#8217;t control beyond exercising self control in the first place, because i&#8217;m a man</p>
<p>if anything, it would be &#8220;fair&#8221; if fathers could force an abortion, but obviously that would be brutal and invasive, not a reasonable solution</p>
<p>i believe that men shouldn&#8217;t be required to pay child support by default, though</p>
<p>it is the woman&#8217;s body, it&#8217;s a physical fact that government intervention is only going to do harm, and therefore we have no choice but to let the woman decide</p>
<p>but therefore, i think we need to leave parental responsibility up to the woman, unless the man agrees on paper to provide support</p>
<p>this way no one has to worry about a simple sexual mistake having profound consequences</p>
<p>that is, where pregnancy is concerned. any man or woman risking unplanned pregnancies may also be risking contracting a fatal STD</p>
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		<title>By: Mazarine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazarine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh MY GOD&gt; I had no idea about this bill! How backward can we go? Is it the middle ages now?

SO ANGRY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh MY GOD&gt; I had no idea about this bill! How backward can we go? Is it the middle ages now?</p>
<p>SO ANGRY!</p>
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		<title>By: aj</title>
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		<dc:creator>aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as i&#039;m concerned the Roe v. Wade makes this bill a complete violation of women&#039;s constitutional rights to an abortion. With that being said, it&#039;s rather naive to assume that a Supreme Court ruling provides overarching protection of legal abortion and accessibility in every individual state. 

Roe v. Wade sheds light on how unconstitutional this debacle is, however; it doesn&#039;t mean that anti-choice legislators lack the ability to push through this kind of policy initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as i&#8217;m concerned the Roe v. Wade makes this bill a complete violation of women&#8217;s constitutional rights to an abortion. With that being said, it&#8217;s rather naive to assume that a Supreme Court ruling provides overarching protection of legal abortion and accessibility in every individual state. </p>
<p>Roe v. Wade sheds light on how unconstitutional this debacle is, however; it doesn&#8217;t mean that anti-choice legislators lack the ability to push through this kind of policy initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a  Supreme Court decision, I believe from 1976, that overturns provisions in laws that require a man&#039;s consent for an abortion.  The proposed Ohio law is an outrage, but it would be nice if bloggers posting on the issue would educate themselves about its legal ramifications.  I would really like to know what has been said by the Supremes about this in their decisions since Roe.  Anybody know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a  Supreme Court decision, I believe from 1976, that overturns provisions in laws that require a man&#8217;s consent for an abortion.  The proposed Ohio law is an outrage, but it would be nice if bloggers posting on the issue would educate themselves about its legal ramifications.  I would really like to know what has been said by the Supremes about this in their decisions since Roe.  Anybody know?</p>
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		<title>By: Tasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disgusting. How can you be a feminist, but act like women have no brains of their own? Is every woman that decides to terminate her pregnancy sleeping with a man that is a deadbeat? Do we really feel women are that heartless that they can&#039;t tell the difference between a rapist and a innocent child?  We are not that stupid, please stop acting as if every time a women gets and unwanted pregnancy some loser coaxed her into it.  If we want equal rights, then we want equal rights. Period. No one should be forced to be a parent. If a man wants to be a single father, let him! The truth is pregnancy as a result of rape is very uncommon. Most often two consenting adults, aware of the consequences made a conscious decision to forgo protection or it was an accident.  We all know that it will be our bodies that will be used for nine months so we need to be smarter about our actions. Feminist should empower women not paint them as some poor, unintelligent pushovers.   We will never find equality by being biased.  If women don&#039;t want to be forced into parenthood then why the hell should men? Stop wasting time b*tching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is disgusting. How can you be a feminist, but act like women have no brains of their own? Is every woman that decides to terminate her pregnancy sleeping with a man that is a deadbeat? Do we really feel women are that heartless that they can&#8217;t tell the difference between a rapist and a innocent child?  We are not that stupid, please stop acting as if every time a women gets and unwanted pregnancy some loser coaxed her into it.  If we want equal rights, then we want equal rights. Period. No one should be forced to be a parent. If a man wants to be a single father, let him! The truth is pregnancy as a result of rape is very uncommon. Most often two consenting adults, aware of the consequences made a conscious decision to forgo protection or it was an accident.  We all know that it will be our bodies that will be used for nine months so we need to be smarter about our actions. Feminist should empower women not paint them as some poor, unintelligent pushovers.   We will never find equality by being biased.  If women don&#8217;t want to be forced into parenthood then why the hell should men? Stop wasting time b*tching.</p>
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		<title>By: aj</title>
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		<dc:creator>aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenna, I have to disagree with you completely. I have a couple concerns with your claim that because women and men conceive together...they should have equal say in what happens to a woman&#039;s body. First, that does not take into consideration the fact that survivors of rape don&#039;t consent to it, and they shouldn&#039;t be victimized by a law that would require records to prove she was raped. Women should absolutely not be subject to such tremendous dehumanization. 

I think your depiction of feminists, particularly women, as crie babies, is extremely problematic. It plays into a really bad sexist stereotype that women are overly emotional and incapable of &quot;rational&quot; thinking. Women have a right to be complaining; for real. Being complacent with the way women are valued in the status quo, is just unacceptable. 

I don&#039;t think your going to get anywhere in convincing people by calling them whiny, immature, murderers. And depicting them as childish and having no credible argument for why women&#039;s choices and autonomy should matter, is further proof of the undeniable misogyny barried in the anti-choice argument. Not to mention the blatant contradictions. Republicans who are staunch anti-choice advocates suddenly make an exception for men who make the decision to terminate a pregnancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenna, I have to disagree with you completely. I have a couple concerns with your claim that because women and men conceive together&#8230;they should have equal say in what happens to a woman&#8217;s body. First, that does not take into consideration the fact that survivors of rape don&#8217;t consent to it, and they shouldn&#8217;t be victimized by a law that would require records to prove she was raped. Women should absolutely not be subject to such tremendous dehumanization. </p>
<p>I think your depiction of feminists, particularly women, as crie babies, is extremely problematic. It plays into a really bad sexist stereotype that women are overly emotional and incapable of &#8220;rational&#8221; thinking. Women have a right to be complaining; for real. Being complacent with the way women are valued in the status quo, is just unacceptable. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think your going to get anywhere in convincing people by calling them whiny, immature, murderers. And depicting them as childish and having no credible argument for why women&#8217;s choices and autonomy should matter, is further proof of the undeniable misogyny barried in the anti-choice argument. Not to mention the blatant contradictions. Republicans who are staunch anti-choice advocates suddenly make an exception for men who make the decision to terminate a pregnancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I absolutely agree with it coming down to the woman&#039;s decision, I do think there needs to be avenues and ways for men to be more involved. As much as men can do awful things to women, women can also do the same, sometimes using babies and pregnancies as a bargaining chip or leverage. I think if a man has a child out there, he should at least have a way to be told that, a legal way to secure full information, and to seek parental rights through the proper legal channels. If he is unfit, the court should see this. If not, then it IS his child and he has rights too. Men should be encouraged to be much more involved and to *want* to know what is going on. While I wholeheartedly disagree with this bill, I also agree with the sentiment of the last comment above me. In such a feminized culture, it is coming to a point where we are treating men like stupid children (how many sitcoms and commercials do you see with the smart-sassy-hot-wife and the fat-dumpy-lazy-stupid-husband? it is insulting and damaging to both men and women, and the cosmo culture promotes relationships as a game). Men are not properly addressed in society, which is largely a result of the scale tipping fully the other way after the last century of women&#039;s rights movements, but now we need to balance it out a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I absolutely agree with it coming down to the woman&#8217;s decision, I do think there needs to be avenues and ways for men to be more involved. As much as men can do awful things to women, women can also do the same, sometimes using babies and pregnancies as a bargaining chip or leverage. I think if a man has a child out there, he should at least have a way to be told that, a legal way to secure full information, and to seek parental rights through the proper legal channels. If he is unfit, the court should see this. If not, then it IS his child and he has rights too. Men should be encouraged to be much more involved and to *want* to know what is going on. While I wholeheartedly disagree with this bill, I also agree with the sentiment of the last comment above me. In such a feminized culture, it is coming to a point where we are treating men like stupid children (how many sitcoms and commercials do you see with the smart-sassy-hot-wife and the fat-dumpy-lazy-stupid-husband? it is insulting and damaging to both men and women, and the cosmo culture promotes relationships as a game). Men are not properly addressed in society, which is largely a result of the scale tipping fully the other way after the last century of women&#8217;s rights movements, but now we need to balance it out a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Girl vs. Robot &#187; Archive &#187; #052 &#8220;Permission Slip&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Girl vs. Robot &#187; Archive &#187; #052 &#8220;Permission Slip&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] links: Ohio Bill Would Require Permission from the Farther for an Abortion [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ohio legislator’s bill dictates that men should have final say on abortion. &#124; Pure Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohio legislator’s bill dictates that men should have final say on abortion. &#124; Pure Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and privacy.&#8221; AJ at Feminists For Choice says the bill is &#8220;another mechanism for demonizing and isolating women who have sex.&#8221; (HT: Pam&#8217;s House Blend)  Posted in politics &#8226; &#8226; Top Of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and privacy.&#8221; AJ at Feminists For Choice says the bill is &#8220;another mechanism for demonizing and isolating women who have sex.&#8221; (HT: Pam&#8217;s House Blend)  Posted in politics &bull; &bull; Top Of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not about the &quot;men&quot; approving it or not. Women cant conceive themselves alone , can they? Its pretty basic and simple, it is both men and women that is needed to make a new human being. 
If both participated, I dont see why should we ignore one of the parts.
If it was the ther way around, men having abortions without notifying women, we would be all crying about why are we ignored? cause we are women? What a whole load of crap.
Im a woman, but I believe sometimes feminist take things to extremes, it is not about &quot;having our rights heard&quot; anymore, it has turned into &quot;what can we cry about now? how can we complain? how can we feel little and unheard now&quot;
Want to protect someone little and unheard? maybe think of your own child that you are thinking about killing!
Its not as simple as deciding about your body anymore. Since when the human body has 2 heart beats??? please, people, grow up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not about the &#8220;men&#8221; approving it or not. Women cant conceive themselves alone , can they? Its pretty basic and simple, it is both men and women that is needed to make a new human being.<br />
If both participated, I dont see why should we ignore one of the parts.<br />
If it was the ther way around, men having abortions without notifying women, we would be all crying about why are we ignored? cause we are women? What a whole load of crap.<br />
Im a woman, but I believe sometimes feminist take things to extremes, it is not about &#8220;having our rights heard&#8221; anymore, it has turned into &#8220;what can we cry about now? how can we complain? how can we feel little and unheard now&#8221;<br />
Want to protect someone little and unheard? maybe think of your own child that you are thinking about killing!<br />
Its not as simple as deciding about your body anymore. Since when the human body has 2 heart beats??? please, people, grow up!</p>
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