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		<title>By: Louche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janice, I just noticed your name. Perhaps the accuser was confusing you with Janice Raymond, author of The Transsexual Empire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice, I just noticed your name. Perhaps the accuser was confusing you with Janice Raymond, author of The Transsexual Empire?</p>
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		<title>By: Louche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for choosing to educate yourself. And thank you for doing so humbly on a blog. I wish more, like Carol Adams, would do this. Feminists especially. At the very least, transsexual people must be included within feminist circles. I am afraid to have as guest speaker anyone who I do not know to be supportive of all gender identities, now that I know there are people who aren&#039;t.

And, maybe this is my problem, but I do find it intimidating to attempt to &quot;educate&quot; someone like Carol Adams who has published 10 books about feminism while I only started learning about feminism in any systematic way last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for choosing to educate yourself. And thank you for doing so humbly on a blog. I wish more, like Carol Adams, would do this. Feminists especially. At the very least, transsexual people must be included within feminist circles. I am afraid to have as guest speaker anyone who I do not know to be supportive of all gender identities, now that I know there are people who aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And, maybe this is my problem, but I do find it intimidating to attempt to &#8220;educate&#8221; someone like Carol Adams who has published 10 books about feminism while I only started learning about feminism in any systematic way last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwenyth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwenyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Janice,

Well, without a link to the discussion you speak of, I can&#039;t really say much about your experience.  I can make assumptions, based on some very generalized experiences, but they could easily be wrong.

First, I&#039;d like to applaud you for seeing this as an opportunity to learn, despite your being initially baffled, and possibly hurt by your experience.

Second, let me say that cis-sexism(a new term for me, but it seems to fit better in many cases then transphobia), is pretty much all over the place.  Trans folk deal with it as a basic, constant, background fact.  So, some of us can get a bit tired of trying to explain it, and might just get snappish.  It happens.  Much like feminists might not always feel up to explaining to some guy exactly why what he just said was misogynistic.

As to the butterfly thing, as stated, it -is- often used by transwomen.  It&#039;s not used much at all by transmen.  In this country or any other, I&#039;d imagine.  I like the imagery personally, but I can understand many FtMs not being excited about it.  And it really doesn&#039;t fit well to symbolize the entire transgender spectrum.

Finally, I agree that the best place to hear about cis-sexism, what it looks like, what it feels like, is from TG people themselves.  It&#039;s hard to see privilege from the inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Janice,</p>
<p>Well, without a link to the discussion you speak of, I can&#8217;t really say much about your experience.  I can make assumptions, based on some very generalized experiences, but they could easily be wrong.</p>
<p>First, I&#8217;d like to applaud you for seeing this as an opportunity to learn, despite your being initially baffled, and possibly hurt by your experience.</p>
<p>Second, let me say that cis-sexism(a new term for me, but it seems to fit better in many cases then transphobia), is pretty much all over the place.  Trans folk deal with it as a basic, constant, background fact.  So, some of us can get a bit tired of trying to explain it, and might just get snappish.  It happens.  Much like feminists might not always feel up to explaining to some guy exactly why what he just said was misogynistic.</p>
<p>As to the butterfly thing, as stated, it -is- often used by transwomen.  It&#8217;s not used much at all by transmen.  In this country or any other, I&#8217;d imagine.  I like the imagery personally, but I can understand many FtMs not being excited about it.  And it really doesn&#8217;t fit well to symbolize the entire transgender spectrum.</p>
<p>Finally, I agree that the best place to hear about cis-sexism, what it looks like, what it feels like, is from TG people themselves.  It&#8217;s hard to see privilege from the inside.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.butterflyco.org/  one organization that uses the butterfly as a symbol. I understand it is not generally recognized as a symbol for transgender awareness/etc., but thought readers may be interested to see how it is being used my some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.butterflyco.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.butterflyco.org/</a>  one organization that uses the butterfly as a symbol. I understand it is not generally recognized as a symbol for transgender awareness/etc., but thought readers may be interested to see how it is being used my some.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone,
I went back to the web after people who have commented on this post informed me that I was wrong about the butterfly and its symbolism. 
It appears that it is both a symbol being used more in Europe. My apologies for not looking into this more before publishing the post. Perhaps my love for butterflies made me jump the gun there. 
Noah, thanks so much for the links. I do suspect that the person who called me out on Twitter did so because of the organizations I support. I have wondered if perhaps some organization that I support or have RT-ed has a bad reputation in the trans community. I appreciate knowing about such things. Perhaps you will join us for our conversation with Carol?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone,<br />
I went back to the web after people who have commented on this post informed me that I was wrong about the butterfly and its symbolism.<br />
It appears that it is both a symbol being used more in Europe. My apologies for not looking into this more before publishing the post. Perhaps my love for butterflies made me jump the gun there.<br />
Noah, thanks so much for the links. I do suspect that the person who called me out on Twitter did so because of the organizations I support. I have wondered if perhaps some organization that I support or have RT-ed has a bad reputation in the trans community. I appreciate knowing about such things. Perhaps you will join us for our conversation with Carol?</p>
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		<title>By: freewomyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>freewomyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and as for the butterfly as a trans symbol, that&#039;s news to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and as for the butterfly as a trans symbol, that&#8217;s news to me.</p>
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		<title>By: freewomyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>freewomyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janice, I&#039;m glad that you&#039;re trying to educate yourself about how to be a better trans ally.  That really says a lot about you as a person.  

If you want to be a trans ally, the #1 thing you can do is use the right pronouns.  If a person asks you to refer to them as a &quot;he,&quot; do it.  It takes practice.  You might make mistakes.  All you need to do is correct yourself without making a big deal of it, then move on.

The other thing I would say is be aware that bathroom safety is a huge issue for trans people.  Everyone pees.  But not everyone can walk into a restroom without having to worry about whether or not they&#039;re going to get assaulted.  Pay attention to where you&#039;re at - when a business has single-stall, locking bathroom, let your trans friends know.  If you own a business, make your bathrooms unisex bathrooms.  It&#039;s a pretty basic way to make trans folks feel more welcome in your establishment.  And trust me, people will spread good word of mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice, I&#8217;m glad that you&#8217;re trying to educate yourself about how to be a better trans ally.  That really says a lot about you as a person.  </p>
<p>If you want to be a trans ally, the #1 thing you can do is use the right pronouns.  If a person asks you to refer to them as a &#8220;he,&#8221; do it.  It takes practice.  You might make mistakes.  All you need to do is correct yourself without making a big deal of it, then move on.</p>
<p>The other thing I would say is be aware that bathroom safety is a huge issue for trans people.  Everyone pees.  But not everyone can walk into a restroom without having to worry about whether or not they&#8217;re going to get assaulted.  Pay attention to where you&#8217;re at &#8211; when a business has single-stall, locking bathroom, let your trans friends know.  If you own a business, make your bathrooms unisex bathrooms.  It&#8217;s a pretty basic way to make trans folks feel more welcome in your establishment.  And trust me, people will spread good word of mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry you were unable to find resources on the web. You would probably find more resources if you Googled &lt;a href=&quot;http://juliaserano.livejournal.com/14700.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cissexual&lt;/a&gt;, cisgender, or cissexist. 

Just as learning about feminism from men is probably not the best idea, you might find things written trans people more useful, e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://transgriot.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TransGriot&lt;/a&gt;. Leslie Davis cannot even bring herself to acknowledge that she is cisgender -- without the quotes -- and further denies her privilege by calling the term &quot;slang.&quot; Meanwhile, she moves within lesbian circles with ease and doesn&#039;t question why there is probably a lack of trans dykes in her world. (Because they have been systematically excluded.)

Many cissexual women I know have found Julia Serano&#039;s book Whipping Girl to be mind-opening. Follow up with Viviane Namaste&#039;s Sex Change, Social Change and Invisible Lives. 

It&#039;s ironic that the title of your blog appeared next to a picture of avowed cissexist, Carol J. Adams. If you do want to be an ally, confront her about her transphobia in the upcoming chat. For background:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://veganideal.org/content/feminism-beyond-transphobia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feminism Beyond Transphobia&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://veganideal.org/content/transphobia-and-feminists-animal-rights&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transphobia and Feminists for Animal Rights&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://veganideal.org/content/transphobia-and-carol-adams&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transphobia and Carol Adams&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you were unable to find resources on the web. You would probably find more resources if you Googled <a href="http://juliaserano.livejournal.com/14700.html" rel="nofollow">cissexual</a>, cisgender, or cissexist. </p>
<p>Just as learning about feminism from men is probably not the best idea, you might find things written trans people more useful, e.g., <a href="http://transgriot.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">TransGriot</a>. Leslie Davis cannot even bring herself to acknowledge that she is cisgender &#8212; without the quotes &#8212; and further denies her privilege by calling the term &#8220;slang.&#8221; Meanwhile, she moves within lesbian circles with ease and doesn&#8217;t question why there is probably a lack of trans dykes in her world. (Because they have been systematically excluded.)</p>
<p>Many cissexual women I know have found Julia Serano&#8217;s book Whipping Girl to be mind-opening. Follow up with Viviane Namaste&#8217;s Sex Change, Social Change and Invisible Lives. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that the title of your blog appeared next to a picture of avowed cissexist, Carol J. Adams. If you do want to be an ally, confront her about her transphobia in the upcoming chat. For background:</p>
<p><a href="http://veganideal.org/content/feminism-beyond-transphobia" rel="nofollow">Feminism Beyond Transphobia</a></p>
<p><a href="http://veganideal.org/content/transphobia-and-feminists-animal-rights" rel="nofollow">Transphobia and Feminists for Animal Rights</a></p>
<p><a href="http://veganideal.org/content/transphobia-and-carol-adams" rel="nofollow">Transphobia and Carol Adams</a></p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for the nice comments and discussion. I agree with Manda, this person on Twitter tried to publicly shame and embarrass me, without even making me aware of what I did. I think that if this person wants to take it upon themselves to call people out in public that they must educate the public at the same time. Given that the comments were made in a public forum I think I have a right to know what I did. Nothing can be gained by this type of interaction. 

You are right, I never claimed to be broken, I only claim to seek an understanding. 

Thanks so much to those who have informed me about the butterfly and its symbolism. I came across the symbol while doing my web searches on &quot;cis,&quot; but come to think of it it may not have been on the site of an American organization. The butterfly as a symbol makes sense to me and I believe has a lovely symbolic meaning, but I so appreciate knowing that what I have written in not accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for the nice comments and discussion. I agree with Manda, this person on Twitter tried to publicly shame and embarrass me, without even making me aware of what I did. I think that if this person wants to take it upon themselves to call people out in public that they must educate the public at the same time. Given that the comments were made in a public forum I think I have a right to know what I did. Nothing can be gained by this type of interaction. </p>
<p>You are right, I never claimed to be broken, I only claim to seek an understanding. </p>
<p>Thanks so much to those who have informed me about the butterfly and its symbolism. I came across the symbol while doing my web searches on &#8220;cis,&#8221; but come to think of it it may not have been on the site of an American organization. The butterfly as a symbol makes sense to me and I believe has a lovely symbolic meaning, but I so appreciate knowing that what I have written in not accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Shanman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shanman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good job working to educate yourself. I agree with Thaniel that the butterfly is not a transgender symbol or at least not one used in North American FTM communities. 

The cis definition is interesting. It might be more helpful to think of a cisgendered person as someone who identifies with the gender they were assigned at birth rather than the gender that they were born with. It is a small differance but the latter definition reifies the problematic ideas about the naturalness of gender. 

I&#039;ve never heard cissexist or cisgay - thanks for providing me with some new terms:)

The trans and queer communities that I am a part of use the term cisprivledge to reference privledges of the cisgendered community. For example one cisprivledge is the ease with which cis gendered folks use public bathrooms. 

nice post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good job working to educate yourself. I agree with Thaniel that the butterfly is not a transgender symbol or at least not one used in North American FTM communities. </p>
<p>The cis definition is interesting. It might be more helpful to think of a cisgendered person as someone who identifies with the gender they were assigned at birth rather than the gender that they were born with. It is a small differance but the latter definition reifies the problematic ideas about the naturalness of gender. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard cissexist or cisgay &#8211; thanks for providing me with some new terms:)</p>
<p>The trans and queer communities that I am a part of use the term cisprivledge to reference privledges of the cisgendered community. For example one cisprivledge is the ease with which cis gendered folks use public bathrooms. </p>
<p>nice post!</p>
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